What’s a Gas Grill Model Number?

And How to Find a Model Number

When you look online for replacement parts, or call the friendly sales rep at GrillPartsSearch.com, the first thing you’ll need is your gas grill model number. Having been that friendly rep, I can tell you that if you don’t know what a model number is or where to find it, that makes you and about a million other people.

In other words, you are not alone.

Let’s define “model number.”

It’s the number or letters, or combination of the two, given to the exact style of your grill. This means there may be hundreds or thousands of the same model grill made and sold. This is the reason replacement companies use model numbers to sell parts. All the grill of the same model will use the same parts. Usually, there is a certain way each manufacturer uses a model number. The manufacturer Nexgrill has seven digit numbers that start with a 7 and are written like this: 720-0061, while Brinkmann starts with an 8 and look like this: 810-2700. Charbroil also uses all numbers but always starts with a 4 and is nine digits long – 463240904.

Now, buckle up because it doesn’t get more simple from here. There are also a lot of manufacturers that use letters in their model numbers as well. A very common one is Member’s Mark. Their model numbers look like this: Y0202XC.

That’s basically how model numbers are structured. Every manufacturer uses a different system so they always know exactly which grills are theirs.

Do you see a LP or an NG hanging off the end of your model number? Nothing to worry about, that just denotes the kind of gas your grill uses. LP stands for Liquid Propane while NG means Natural Gas. Sometimes the LP or NG is a part of the model, sometimes not.

So, how do you find this model number? That’s a little trickier.

  • First, try looking on your original owner’s manual. Usually the model number will be listed on the bottom of each page.
    (I know some of you are looking at the screen in disbelief at the idea you’d still have that old grill manual. Ok, read on)
  • Some grills have small metal plates or labels with certification information on them, including your model number. These plates are usually on the back of each grill.
  • Can’t find it on the back of the grill? Did you look down really low? Try inside the door, on the side of the control panel, under the control panel.

You found a serial number!? Yahoo!!! That’s not the same as a model number and no one lists parts using serial numbers. Sorry. Keep looking.

Still nothing? Or you found it but can’t read it? Well, that’s alright. You don’t have to dump your grill yet. Just measure the parts you need to replace and call 678-272-2451.

Someone will help you.

Stay tuned for tips to get accurate measurements and therefore, THE RIGHT PARTS!!

Toodles. -GG

Originally published Oct. 1, 2012.

Only One Burner Lights on My Grill – How To Fix

Got the fridge stocked for barbeque, but your gas grill isn’t working properly? Only one burner lights, but can’t get all your burners lit?

If only one burner lights, itcould be any number of malfunctions with your gas grill. Below are some of the most common issues we find with gas grills when some or all of the gas grill burners aren’t lighting, or the burner won’t light evenly all the way around.

When Grill Girl takes questions from customers, often you ask “why is it that only one burner lights in my grill?

The most common answer to why only one burner lights is that the carryover tube has rusted out and is not working. Oftentimes, a grill will have an ignitor on one grill burner but not on any of the rest of the burners. The carry over tube or bracket brings the light or flame from the lit burner to the unlit ones. Luckily, it’s an easy fix! Remove the carryover tube, measure it, and find a replacement. They are inexpensive and simple to replace.

Check out this Grill Girl video for a visual explanation:

GrillPartsSearch.com has dozens of replacement carryover tubes and brackets. Our parts are stainless steel and made to fit exactly in your grill. Measure your original piece to find an accurate replacement. If you don’t have the original piece, measure the distance between the burners where the tube would sit.

Carryover tubes take the flame from the lit burner to the unlit burners.

Already checked the carryover tube and found that it was working properly?

There are also other reasons it could be that only one burner lights. It could be a problem with the gas flow in your grill. Debris in your manifold or valves can block gas from reaching your grill burners. Check for debris around the valves and knobs like built-up grime, dust, or even spider webs. Alternatively, you might need to replace the regulator and hose. Regulators can go bad after time. There’s a safety mechanism that shuts off gas flow so it doesn’t create a safety hazard. You can browse available regulator-hose replacements here.

Only One Burner Lights But You Hear Clicking?

Is your gas grill is not lighting, but you hear a loud clicking sound or snap when you push the button? The good news is that your grill ignitor starter is working. You could have an issue with the electrode or wire portion of your ignition system. The wire and electrode are the two main parts that bring the spark created by the ignitor to the gas flowing inside your grill burner. Visually inspect these parts to make sure they aren’t coated with grease or degraded by age. For reference, here is what those parts look like:

You could also have a leak or obstruction of the hose that feeds that gas from the propane tank to your grill cabin. For more information on that particular problem, check out this youtube troubleshooting video.

If you’re having a hard time determining the problem in your grill, give us a call. We have a team of grill repair experts ready to help get you back to grilling!

Until Next time – Grill Girl

Why do people put lava rocks in gas grills?

If you’ve heard of grill rocks or lava rocks, you might be wondering why people put them in gas grills. The main reason is they are a great way to cook your food in a gas grill. Lava rocks are fun, look fantastic cooking your food, and they radiate heat nicely.

Now for the basic starting griller, the metal plates are fine for their gas burner covers. They catch and hold the heat well enough and get your food cooked fine. But lava rocks are just too cool to pass up for such a hot way to cook your food on an outdoor gas grill!

people grilling on a gas grill afternoon barbecue, bbq, lava rocks for gas grills

If you really want to up your barbecue game and impress your friends, your family, and even yourself, read on to find out how nice it is to barbecue your food over heated volcanic stone.

The smoking hot rocks cooking your food turn a barbecue into a luau while you and your guests enjoy cold drinks out of the cooler and a freshly cooked dinner hot off the lava. The rocks look good and they make a great conversation piece.

Is it good to put lava rocks in a gas grill?

Yes, absolutely. This is no hack or jury rig. In fact, lava rocks used to be all the rage. They give gas grillers a way to have a very effective heat cover for their burners with a nice visual presentation. It truly is a more enjoyable way to to fully experience cooking outdoors on a gas grill.

What is an alternative to lava rocks on a gas grill?

You can stick with the metal plate burner covers that come standard with a lot of grills when it’s time to replace yours. You’ll just be the guy with the same boring, mass-produced, cheaply-imported cooking equipment with the metal plates on your burners. We joke, …kinda.

Wouldn’t you rather upgrade to lava rocks? With those volcanic lava rocks on the flames piping heat into your food, you’re a hero. They’re earthy and exotic. They just add character and finery to your grill and outdoor culinary and dining experience.

lava rock in a gas grill, lava rock in gas bbq

What are the benefits of lava rocks?

Lava rocks on the gas grill cook your food evenly because, being made of natural volcanic stone, they hold the heat in hotter for longer. Additionally, they radiate it back out more evenly than metal plates. You will get better flavor with lava rocks.

With metal plate burner covers, the greases and juices from your food drip off into a tray. Instead, rocks catch all the savory drippings, vaporize them, and steam your food in them. You get really delicious food cooking over these rocks.

What’s next?

If you’re interested in making the switch to lava rocks, check out the best lava rock in the world.

Have any questions? Ask them in the comments, or send us an email [email protected]

Happy Grilling!

The Grill Girl

All You Need to Know About Phoenix Gas Grills

Have you heard of Phoenix gas grills? They have many unique qualities that set them apart from other grills sold in the US today.

With their high quality manufacturing (US-Made), and their versatility, Phoenix gas grills are definitely worth keeping in your backyard and out of a landfill.

Phoenix Gas Grill Model SDRIVDDP or SDRIVDDN. Parts for Phoenix Gas GrillsWho makes Phoenix gas grills?

The company that makes Phoenix gas grills is called “ProFire.” They are a division of MHP (Modern Home Products), which has been making and selling gas grills in the United States since the 1950’s. Check out their story on how they invented outdoor gas grill!

What sets the Phoenix gas grills apart?

  • Quality Construction – Made in the US
  • Stainless Steel Cooking Mesh Grid
  • Solid Brass Dual Valve
  • Vents with a Damper Slide
  • Cast Aluminum Drip Pan Over Burners
    • No Flare-Ups
    • Drippings From Food Are Caught by Pan
    • Allows for Steaming of Food by Adding Water
    • Easy to drain
  • Sta-Cool Swivel Handle
  • All Models Available in Propane or Natural Gas

Where can you buy a Phoenix gas grill?

Modern Home Products and ProFire work with dealers to get their grills to the end user. You can enter your state here to find a dealer near you. Local dealers are our favorite way of purchasing high-end grills because you get a chance to see the models in person before purchase. Buying from a local dealer also supports the local economy and those in communities where we live. Support Small Business!

If you can’t find a local dealer, you can find Phoenix gas grill online at Amazon or BBQGuys.

Looking for the model number on your Phoenix gas grill?

This can be tricky because the model is on a sticker on the side of the control panel. It’s to clearly evident as the informational stock because it blends in with the design of the grill. More of a visual learner? Check out this video from the Grill Parts Girl showing you where to find the model and what to look for. As mentioned in the video, the model number on MHP gas grills and Phoenix gas grills is in the same place.

If your grill is a built-in, it may be difficult or even impossible to see your model number. Don’t worry. There are still plenty of Phoenix gas grill experts out there doing business today. Give us a call and we will help determine which Phoenix grill model you have by the dimensions of your grill and parts.

Where can you get support, parts, and accessories for Phoenix gas grills?

Last but not least, when you have such a high quality gas grill, it will last for a long time. It’s very common to need a few parts every couple years to keep your grill up and running. As a dealer with a long-time business relationship with Modern Home Products, we are proud to offer their full line of Phoenix gas grill parts, accessories, and replacements. 

Does the list of parts make you feel overwhelmed? Maybe you don’t see the parts for Phoenix gas grills you need? Please don’t hesitate to give us a call at 678-272-2451 or email us at [email protected]. We promise that is the part is available, we will get it to you. If it’s not available, we’ll look anyway and let you know what we find.

Have a Phoenix gas grill and you love it? Comment in the section below!

Why Don’t Gas Grills Use Lava Rock Anymore?

If you’ve heard of lava rocks for gas grills or gas grill rocks, you may be wondering why don’t gas grills use lava rock anymore?

Lava rock for grills and fire pits. why don't gas grills use lava rock anymore

These naturally occurring volcanic rocks are perfect at withstanding and holding large amounts of heat. Because they’re porous and made of volcanic material, they also diffuse the heat evenly. Lava rock creates a perfect heat trap for the flame of a gas grill and radiates the heat as infrared energy to cook your food. So why don’t gas grills use lava rock anymore?

Why Don’t Gas Grills Use Lava Rock Anymore?

In every single gas grill there’s a gas burner. The burner produces a flame that produces heat to cook your food. However, heat rises and dissipates in the air too easily to cook your food if it isn’t trapped. An uncovered flame results in uneven or inadequate heat for effective cooking.

This is why grill manufacturers cover the burners in gas grills, but before they started using little metal plates, gas grills used to cover the burners with natural lava rock. 

Original gas grills used lava rock with the gas supplying the combustion for heat beneath a layer of lava rocks. The lava rocks themselves sat on grates, called lava rock grates or briquette grates.

The Advantages of Lava Rocks for Gas Grills

Lava rock naturally radiates infrared heat into your food when heated by the flame from your gas grill burner. That radiated heat cooks your food more evenly and leaves it simmering delightfully in the even glow of the lava rock bed.

Lava rock also retains heat on cold and windy days. It stays warmer for longer than metal plates for your gas grill do, instead of losing heat each time the grill cabin is opened.

Grillers who use lava rock lay them out on a metal grate fitted to their grill for lava rock, placing all the largest rocks in neat rows over the burners first and around the outside of the grill, then filling in the spaces between them with an even scattering of the smaller lava rocks for gas grills. See this video for a visual!

The Big Box Retailers Import Cheap Mentality

So why don’t gas grills use lava rock anymore?

Many years back, the gas grill segment bought into big box retailer mentality of marketing. We saw the cheapest mass-produced assemblies imported from foreign manufacturers. 

Shipping 3 to 5 pieces of bent sheet metal in neatly standardized packaging from an overseas assembly line for the grill saved the grill manufacturers time, hassle, and money over sourcing volcanic lava rock. Not all lava rock is the same. For gas grills you need suitable size and quality for cooking. Additionally, the manufacturers no longer needed to provide the grate where the lava rock sat. They exchanged a higher quality product and experience for a cheaper solution on their end. 

So the metal burner covers won out in the industry, and slick ad copy campaigns touting the superiority of metal plates got the consumer to go along with the change.

But these are lower quality burner covers for gas grills. They’re not nearly as nice as lava rock. They don’t hold and distribute the heat from your gas burner as well as lava and the rocks look good and are more fun to barbecue over.

So why doesn’t your gas grill use lava rock?

You can get lava rock for your grill!

At this time, we have an exact-fit kit for some Weber Models. Check for availability for your grill! We are working to develop more exact fit solutions. In the meantime, browse our selection of grates that can hold up lava rock in your grill.

Questions? Let us know in the comments or send us an email [email protected]

What If The Grill Doesn’t Light?

What to do if your gas grill doesn’t light but it’s time to party!

Is your gas grill ignition button not working? Is the grill igniter clicking but not lighting? No worries and no need to cancel that party or BBQ dinner– you can safely light your grill even if the ignition system in your grill isn’t working!  Use a long-stemmed lighter to light each burner one by one. Just be sure to do it safely by following these steps.

If your ignition is not working, you can still light your gas grill using a lighter. A gas grill ignition malfunction is no reason why you shouldn’t be barbecuing burgers, hot dogs, shish kabobs, or whatever you and your family and friends enjoy today!

If you’re looking to repair or replace your gas grill ignition system, check out our vast list of ignitor parts or get in contact with one of our grill experts to help troubleshoot your problem!

What To Do If The Grill Doesn't Light

1. A Long Stemmed Lighter Is Safer to Light A Gas Grill

You don’t have to be a hero to be a hero. 

For safety’s sake use a long stemmed lighter for candles, fireplaces, and grills, like a BIC Multi-Purpose Classic Edition Candle Lighter with the long metal wand. That way you don’t have to put your hand and half your arm into the grill to light the flammable gas from your grill’s tank.

The great thing about this solution is how accessible it is. If you’ve got a suitable lighter on hand, then use that, but if not, you won’t have to wait around for a new grill part to get dinner ready. A quick run to the convenience store will save the day. 

2. Turn The Burners on One at A Time to Light Them

If the ignition for one burner isn’t working, in most cases grillers find that they aren’t working for the other ones either.

Always begin by opening your gas grill lid. This will help to allow gas from the tank to dissipate in the air. If gas builds up in the grill chamber before you go to light it, there is a risk of injury from a flare up.

Turn the first burner on and put the tip of the lighter next to the burner keeping your hand. Additionally, keep the rest of your person and anything flammable away. Be careful as you use the lighter to let them, and be sure to turn on and light each burner one-at-a-time to avoid gas buildup in your grill.

3. If The Gas Grill Burner Doesn’t Light on Your First Try…

There might be something more than the gas igniter that’s off. It may be that your fuel tank is low or the hose or some connection in your setup is failing. Before you look for the issue and go to replace any of your grill parts, you may want to try again and see if you can get it to light.

If you try to light your grill again, just be sure to leave the grill lid open and let the chamber air out some before making another attempt with your long-stemmed candle lighter.

Safety Note to Grillers: Your safety is your responsibility. Never use a gas grill indoors. Always light your grill with the hood open. If you smell gas, or have trouble lighting your grill, turn off all gas sources and wait 15 minutes before trying again.

Watch Grill Parts Girl explain it instead on our youtube channel!

If you have more questions, leave us a comment! Or, take a minute to go visit our Youtube channel and learn more about your grill. We would love to connect with you there!

Happy Grilling!
-The Grill Parts Girl

Manufacturer Highlight: Expert Grill from Walmart

Here’s a breakdown of what we know about the brand Expert Grill from Walmart.

We just uploaded our parts listing for Expert Grill from Walmart gas grills. We have parts for their most popular gas grills and are adding new models every day. Since it’s a newer brand, we decided to share with you all the information we have so far.

Expert Grills from Walmart have become increasing popular over the past couple of years. Expert Grill Logo by Walmart for Grills, Smokers, Parts, Accessories, CoversWhere can you buy Expert Grills?

Expert Grill is a brand developed by and for Walmart. You can buy Expert Grills in store at your local Walmart, or online at their website and have the grill shipped to you.

We’ve also found Expert Grill branded things on Amazon, Ebay, and other resale websites. However, this brand in the in-house brand for Walmart. So anything you buy that is “Expert Grill” will be originally from Walmart. There is not an “Amazon Expert Grill.” There is a person who has a Walmart Expert Grill and is selling it on Amazon. Make sense?

Walmart makes their own grills now?

Wait a second, that doesn’t sound right. Surely the Walmart corporation hasn’t opened up a factory to manufacture grills? You’re right. They surely haven’t. As is the case with almost all “in-house” brands, the parent company is simply sourcing a product from a manufacturer and putting their own name on it. That’s the case with Expert Grill from Walmart. They are getting the manufacturer Nexgrill to make these grills with the name plate that reads “Expert Grill.”

What do we know about Nexgrill?

Nexgrill has been around for a long time. They have their own line of grills, but also make a lot of grills for other brands including (but not limited to), Charmglow for Home Depot, Kirkland for Costco, and Jennair for Lowes!

Don’t be too surprised. While there are many grill brands (we sell grill parts for over 150 brands on our website), there are a lot fewer actual manufacturers. Want to guess where the majority of grills sold in the US are made? If you guessed China, you’re correct.

So, what does that mean for Expert Grill from Walmart?

I’m not saying Expert Grill will be the same quality as Jennair grills sold by Lowes. The parent company (in this case Walmart) has the end say on how thick the metal used will be, what quality of parts in the grill itself, and support of the products once customers have them.

So does Expert Grill measure up? Customers who have purchased them recently give them high ratings. However, it’s actually a bit early to tell. Grill performance is less about how easy it was to buy the grill, how shiny it looks, or ease of use the first two times you cook on it. It’s a lot more about how the grill cooks the 10th time, the 50th time. It’s about whether or not you need new parts a year after you bought it.

Just in case you’ve been misled by marketing of the industry in the last decade, we’ll make it clear for you, our highly-valued and very smart customer: you shouldn’t need to replace parts in your grill after one year of use. That means the grill has LOW QUALITY parts. It usually means you get what you paid for. So, as with all things, if it seems too good to be true, it most likely is.

Everything else we know about Expert Grill.

Since it’s the brand name for Walmart, alongside the gas grills, you can find is Expert Grill charcoal, Expert Grill smokers, Expert Grill accessories and even an Expert Grill app!

We have the most popular burner, heat plate, and cooking grid parts for Expert Grill gas grills. If you need something else, please give us a call! We love to help people get back to grilling, no matter which brand they own. Call us M-F, 9am-5pm EST, (678) 272-2451 or email us at [email protected], OR order online 24/7.

Y’all have a great day! -Grill Girl

Dynaglo Drip Pan Replacement – We’ve got you covered

Of all the parts our customers ask about, there is no greater need than the Dynaglo Drip Pan Replacement.

Dynaglo drip pan replacement - before and after. New pan available on GrillPartsSearch

Thanks to our happy customer April for sending us a pic of her new Dynaglo drip pan next to her old rusty one!

A few years ago, we started having customers call about their rusty, full-of-holes, drip pans / grease trays / drip trays. Whatever you call them, our customers who owned Dyna-glo gas grills needed new ones. Well, our customers needed Dynaglo drip pan replacements and we’re a gas grill parts replacement company!

Seems like a match made in grill heaven, but the main problem with that was: we didn’t have the part! We were originally able to source some drip pans from Dyna-glo directly, but they quickly ran out and decided not to make any more.

What’s a grill parts company like us to do? Make the Dynaglo drip pans ourselves, of course!

We brought the dimensions of the the most popular Dynaglo drip pans to a metal shop down the street from our warehouse. We worked with them to create a grease tray replacement that would not only replace the original, but outlast it as well. Additionally, we wanted to keep these parts at a price point that made sense for our customers. Since Dyna-glo grills range from $100-$300 new, we understood that most customers would want a low-cost option for parts on these grills.

We designed a galvanized steel replacement drip tray pan for most Dynaglo gas grill models.

Looking for Dynaglo Drip Pan Replacement Parts?

Check out this table with all the sizes and pans we have available. Each tray below is linked, click on the link to see which models each pan fit!

15-1/4″ x 28-5/8″ GPDP70011
15-13/16″ x 26-7/8″ GPDP70012
15-3/8″ x 20″ GPDP10404
15-3/8″ x 33-1/2″ GPDP70013
16″ x 26-1/8″ GPDP10604
16″ x 28-1/8″ GPDP10504
7-1/8″ x 19-1/4″ GPDP10204
7-1/8″ x 26-3/8″ GPDP11304
7-1/8″ x 30-3/8″ GPDP15304

We love having the flexibility to make the parts our customers need.

If you need any parts for your gas grill, give us a call! We are the experts in gas grill repair and we’re here to help.

Grill Girl

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Can We Call Them Grills? | Parts for Smoker Grills

We now offer parts for smoker grills including Primo Ceramic Oval Smokers!

Hey Y’all!

Over the years, we’ve had many customers call and ask about replacement parts for smoker grills, including brands like Big Green Egg, Primo, Chargriller, and Oklahoma Joe’s.

We’ve built our business on supplying replacement gas grill parts. It helps us focus on being experts in valves, regulators, ignition systems, and how gas flows through the grill.

However, much of what we manufacture to support gas grills are also parts in modern day smokers.

For example, we sell cooking grids for gas grills. These same style of grids are in ceramic and box smoker grills!

We are excited to announce that, along with some parts for Big Green Egg, we’ve also added a line of replacement repair parts for smokers by Primo.parts for smoker Primo Ceramic Grill

We have some brand new exact-fit parts for smoker grills by Primo. Check out the high quality cast iron briquette grate that fits Primo Oval Smokers. We also added the upper cooking grid and the lower cooking grid.

If you need accessories, we’ve got you covered there as well.

You can find gaskets, temperature gauges, and roasting racks all under our Primo Smoker parts category.

Did you know that “primo” means “the best” in Italian?

Accordingly, these ceramic smokers are made in the United States and are an oval shape instead of the common circular design. You can buy Primo grills at local dealers across the United States, but we are here to help with all your replacement parts needs. We can proudly say we now ship the parts for smoker grills you need to get back to grilling’!

Additionally, If you need other accessories, check out our listing of “grill gadgets.”

Finally, we’re always here to help.

We have grill experts in the office daily from 9am-5pm Eastern time. They are just a phone call away (678)272-2451. You can also email us 24/7 at [email protected] with all your grill questions.

Happy Smoking/Grilling/Roasting – Cooking Outside!

-Grill Girl

Cleaning Stainless Steel on Gas Grills

Let’s talk about cleaning stainless steel on your gas grill.

We’re beginning to see signs of summer coming to an end. Schools are getting ready. Supplies are going on sale. Your grill has probably already gotten a ton of use this year. How does it look; a little worse for the wear? If you’ve read much on this blog, you know we believe grills are for grilling – not beauty contests! However, there are a few simple things you can do to keep your grill looking nice out in your yard.

A simple chore that packs a visual punch is cleaning stainless steel wherever it might be on your grill.

Some grills have the entire body made of stainless steel. Others might only have a few stainless steel panels or a shelf. No matter how much you have, cleaning and shining it will make a big difference in the overall appearance of your grill.

Here’s the stainless steel shelf that needs cleaning. It’s been out all season and not covered (yikes!). Even considering that party foul, we can get it shined up with the right steps and tools.

stainless steel gas grill dirty stained needs cleaningWhen cleaning stainless steel on a gas grill, you have to remove any excess grease build-up. The first thing this shelf needs is a cleaning with soapy water. Use a little bit of dish detergent – whatever you use on your dishes will work. Use a gentle scrubber to clean, but not scratch, the stainless steel.

Once you get all the grease and grime off your stainless steel, inspect it for additional cleaning needs. This shelf cleaned up nicely, but still had a few rust spots.

You might see spots like this on your stainless steel, or discoloration, or tarnish. For that, you’ll need a specific stainless steel cleaning agent. You can get a bottle of it here. Use that non-scratch scrubber again to work the cleaner onto the surface.

This stuff works like a dream and especially impresses me with the removal of discoloration. There wasn’t a great deal of it on this shelf, but I’ve used this cleaner to remove discoloration from parts inside the grill. Internal parts withstand much higher temperatures and you’ll notice discoloration almost immediately.

stainless steel gas grill clean

It’s hardly recognizable! Now we just need to convince this owner to use a grill cover.

In two simple steps, you’ve got shine!

Keep in mind that not all stainless steel is created equally! Higher quality stainless steel will last longer and clean more easily. For more information about stainless steel, check out this blog: What’s the Deal with Stainless Steel?

Have any questions about cleaning stainless steel on your gas grill? Ask in the comments!